I am fascinated. I recently spoke to two female friends and told them about this new blog that I started to discuss homosexuality. I was amazed at the reaction I received.
With both friends the bottom line for them was that since they knew a number of homosexuals, both dysfunctional (depressed, self-destructive, etc) and functional, and particularly they knew a happy homosexual couple, then it must be an okay and acceptable lifestyle.
So I challenged
the first friend a bit. I asked her since she is basing her belief that homosexuals are innately born that way on this happy monogamous couple, I asked her how well does she know the couple?
I told her that I have found statistics on homosexuals that was quite disturbing:
“One study reports that the average homosexual has between 20 and 106 partners per year (6). The average heterosexual has 8 partners in a lifetime” (Bayer, R. Homosexuality and American Psychiatry)
That “happy monogamous homosexual couples” were surveyed how they define “monogamy” they responded that it means having a steady partner they love plus other casual sexual partners.
“A Canadian study of homosexual men who had been in committed relationships lasting longer than one year found that only 25 percent of those interviewed reported being monogamous." According to study author Barry Adam, "Gay culture allows men to explore different...forms of relationships besides the monogamy coveted by heterosexuals."
(Please note. I have not read these studies and I will try to stick to statistics that are verifiable and unbiased. These are just an example of studies I have found on the web and are not part of my statistical proofs. I will be posting from such sources as the CDC - Center of Disease Control, New York Times, and other sources that are clearly not biased against homosexuality.)
She was having a very hard time hearing what I was saying. So I bluntly asked her if she was interested in looking up unbiased statistics and following the truth?
She responded, “No”. She was not ready emotionally to hear that homosexuality is a choice based on trauma and self-confidence,
even if it is the truth.
I find that astounding that she is so emotionally caught up in having a particular result – namely that the gay rights issue is simply about people wanting to love one another and they have no choice, so how can we possibly be mean to them and not accept the lifestyle as a valid legitimate alternative lifestyle?
I let it be because if someone is not ready for truth, they are not ready. But I am severely disappointed that one would choose to not pursue the truth. I am not talking about accepting what I say at face value, but rather exploring non-partisan studies and facts and only then drawing a conclusion.
My second friend was extremely emotionally perturbed by the notion of my exploration of this topic. She wanted to know why am I doing this?
I told her that
I feel like it is part of my responsibility as a human being when I see others suffering to help them discover the root of their suffering.She then asked me why don’t I respond to people who are drug addicts and alcoholics who are suffering?
I told her that those means of covering deeper pain is accepted by everyone as exactly that – an escape and a means of hiding from the underlying issue that requires therapy and a LOT of hard work to heal. Homosexuality is the one dysfunction that the world – psychologists, politicians, and now most people, actually believe that there is no need to heal.
That is simply cruel to tell people that their dysfunction is normal and they should celebrate it, thereby never giving them the opportunity to work on healing. If you don’t know there is a problem, how can you ever heal it?
It reminds me of bulimia - a terrible eating disorder. There are a group of people who are sick and tired of being told that there is something wrong with them that they are bulimic and have started a group to accept bulimia as a normal alternative lifestyle. (I will post the New York Times article on this at a later date.)
It is so much easier to believe that we are healthy and don’t need to do the terrible hard work of dealing with our issues and overcoming cravings. But in truth it is terribly harmful towards our goal as humans to heal our wounds and elevate ourselves to a higher level of existence.
She was so distraught by what I was saying that she began to personally attack me and call me names. I was flabbergasted. Clearly this issue is extremely emotionally ingrained in people who are generally loving and caring about others. The fact that logic and doing research to find truth is so anathema to those that are emotionally entangled in the Gay agenda makes it clear to me that this blog is more important now than ever.
Just as I was writing this post I
received a comment from
Nice Jewish Guy. His comment is one that I have heard over and over. In fact I would say that it is the definitive position of people who believe the Gay agenda.
1. “the bottom line is no one really knows why people are homosexual. Each theory put forth can be refuted. Everything you have said here regarding homosexuality's originations can only be qualified as your opinion, since you have provided no hard research data”
First thing that everybody wants is my smoking gun. Where is my absolute scientific data that homosexuality is caused by trauma and that it is a choice.
There is no smoking gun. What there is, is an overabundance of statistics (which I will catalog and post over time) that show the destructive force that compels homosexuality. Statistics about disease, Statistics about the average life expectancy, Statistics about destructive behavior, Statistics about causal anonymous sexual behavior, Statistics about depression, Statistics about the suicide rate, Statistics about childhood sexual or other abuse.
Each one deserves its own post and exploration, which I intend to do over time. But clearly the Statistics show that homosexuality is anything but a GAY lifestyle.
2. “True, many gay people have undergone traumas; there are likely just as many gay people who have not undergone traumas; likewise, there is no shortage of heterosexuals who have also undergone traumas and did not turn to homosexuality or any other escape.”
I never said that trauma ONLY causes homosexuality. Clearly childhood trauma causes all kind of dysfunctions, from drug and alcohol abuse, personality disorders, sexual dysfunctions from bizarre fetishes, sex addictions, using sex as a tool or means to make money. Homosexuality is just one form of dysfunction. There are many, many more that afflict every persuasion.
3. “I truly believe (and I have personal experience in this regard.. with other homosexuals, that is.. I am hetero!) that homosexuality is beyond my control, and can be independent of any sentinel event. The only criteria for identification as a homosexual is self-identification. I once asked a homosexual, "how do you know that you're gay?", and the reply was, "how do you know you're straight?"
What is your “personal experience” with other homosexuals that makes you believe that it is beyond their control? Did they tell you they wish they were straight but can’t help the feelings they have? That they suffered terribly from the homosexual feelings and identity crisis and if there was someway that they could be heterosexual they would gladly choose it? Is it the oft asked question, if it’s a choice why would anyone choose this lifestyle?
That is another great fallacy. No one would knowingly choose to be an alcoholic or drug addict. Yet are you saying that alcoholics or drug addicts were born that way? That they don’t have the ability to stop, regardless how strong their urges are? Just replace the word homosexuality with alcohol or drug addiction in your third point and you will see that it falls apart from a logical perspective.
"how do you know you're straight?" I will tell you how I know. We are not created with a sexual preference at all. We are all designed to mate with a member of the opposite sex. A male has a penis and a female a vagina. I know that when those two connect there is A RESULT – a new life is created. Clearly, everybody must admit to this - we are ALL DESIGNED to function that way.
Sure we can put our sexual parts into any receptacle, be they inanimate, different species/animals, or other bodily orifices – but none will produce a result showing that the two parts are MEANT to fit together. So clearly we are all born and functionally are designed to mate with a member of the opposite sex – ergo we were all created heterosexual.
4. “One can know they are gay even having never practiced it. They just know, they feel they are different. I personally know gay people who had wonderful childhoods.”
Also a very common argument, probably the most common, particularly for people who emotionally want it to be true: “I know people with happy childhoods or are a happily committed homosexual couple.”
Very few people have happy childhoods; otherwise the therapist profession would be out of business. I know a family that has well adjusted children that follow in their parents footsteps of what life should be like. The kids would tell you that they had a wonderful childhood. Accept they have one child (teenager) who because of his personality and personal needs suffered terribly growing up in such a household. His parents are good people but they did not understand that each child may need different type of parenting. That what can be very successful for one child can be destructive for another. This child has tragically become a heavy drug abuser.
The people who know this family all believe that his family did the right things and he had a happy childhood. I know this family well and can clearly see how their approach destroyed his sense of self.
I am in the social services business and I have met many people who have told me they have had very happy childhoods, until I started exploring their childhoods with them. Many of their concepts of what normative happy childhood consists of turns out to be actually emotionally and psychologically abusive behavior.
If you speak to someone who has homosexual urges and considers him or herself to be gay and you bring up this topic, they may say they had a happy childhood, particularly if it helps them prove a point that they were born this way.
But if you sit down in a non hostile environment where the focus is on their life and feelings and you really know how to broach a topic in a loving way, you may hear a very different tune.
Just to sum up –
A. Even if from the outside their upbringing seemed ideal to the casual observer, it clearly does not mean it was so for the particular individual with different personality Meta needs.
B. Even if the person themselves states that they had a happy childhood, it may not be the case.
Your last point really has me puzzled:
5. “I think it's great and noble that you are trying to understand homosexuality, but I think that ultimately it is futile. They exist, we must be understanding, and the rest is up to G-d.”First let me say that I really appreciate your civil and positive approach. I hope that the discussions on this blog can continue to be civil and respectful. Thank you for being willing to have a discussion about it.
But then you ended with a disappointing notion. You agree that we don’t know the cause and can’t prove it either way. So why would you be against exploration and discussion to try and discover truth? You can completely disagree with me and bring statistics and examples that state your case, I will be happy to post it.
Searching for truth is NEVER futile. That is part of the purpose of our existence. Yes, people with homosexual tendencies do exist, as do people with cancer, smokers, alcoholics, etc. It is crucial that we try to understand the causes and help them overcome their struggles.
I completely agree that we must be understanding and compassionate. That is one thing I insist on anyone who wants to comment pro or con, whatever ANYONES dysfunction is they must be treated with compassion and lovingly helped to overcome their urges.
I love the alcoholic even if I think his behavior is self destructive. I love the homosexual even if I believe his behavior is self destructive. Because I love ALL human beings and someone who is suffering needs even more love.
Believe it or not, I am doing this for love.